Presentation of the unpublished film of the work of Gordon Matta-Clark: Jacob’s Ladder in Documenta 6 (1977) by Harold Berg and Rodolfo Muñoz. The process and management of the film and the involvement of the presenters in it will be discussed. To then give way to the conversation between Harold Berg, Nuria Enguita, moderated by Rodolfo Muñoz, about the processes of documentation and archiving of interventions in the environment and their circulation and dissemination, both in the museographic world and in the academic world, as well as of the artist’s studio and his works. In this film, the importance of the full documentation of an intervention such as Jacob’s Ladder is clear. From its design to its execution, through the conversations between the executors and the curators of the Documenta 6, it reflects the intentions of the artist, his vision of art and its future. For this conversation we will have three different visions: the collector, the museum and the studio, being able to surround these three edges.